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A Personal Conversation

Being the "gay best friend" or the "sassy Black friend" isn't all it seems

Last week, we were joined on the podcast by Drew Amstutz… basically our favorite person at Red Wine & Blue. He started as an intern and, only a few years later, is now our Chief of Staff.

The episode centered on conversion therapy, a trauma that Drew survived as a teenager. But it also got into some really thorny and important issues about joy. The queer…

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